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Random McNally
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Posted - 2013.05.08 13:48:00 -
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In 1988, my 15 year old younger brother was shot and killed in a stupid gun accident. Two other boys of similar age were involved and ALL of them had attended and passed gun safety training. All of them were also boy scouts and came from good homes where parenting actually did take place.
Just knowing gun safety is not enough.
Sometimes, parenting isn't enough.
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Random McNally
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Posted - 2013.05.08 15:14:00 -
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Totalrx wrote:This is a case of a child whose parents believe in the following:
1) Positive Reinforcement
2) Time Out for punishment
3) Being more of a friend with their child than an authority figure
In short - they raised a spoiled brat with no sense of accountability who acted on impulses since he did not have the discipline to think things through first.
I am so glad that in the 19 years my wife and I have been married, we opted not to have children. I didn't feel like explaining to the police that, "Yes" I did spank the child as they were being way out of line. Yes, I did take away their cellphone, delete their facebook & twitter accounts, and I took their computer to reformat it and donate it to either a school or some other organization or family in need.
Then I would have to deal with DHR and Child Services.
Nope - not for me.
I got my butt whipped when I was a kid. I feared consequences. I feared my father's reaction. I respected their authority. This fear activated the part of my brain that controlled discipline.
The family in this article (RIP to the mom), had none of that. The sad part is - there's a whole generation of parents just like this raising a generation of kids.
Joy.
I work for a school system and I see the "benefits" (cough, cough) of this touchy feely approach daily. Kids get more and more out of line since there is no "harsh" repercussion to their actions. My kids are 14 and 11. They have been disciplined in the style that MY parents disciplined me. They are well behaved, get good grades, they do their homework upon coming home and they don't get to "play" until it is finished. I communicate with their teachers so I know HOW they're doing in school.
In short, I parent. And they will be the better for it.
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Random McNally
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Posted - 2013.05.08 15:42:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:So ultimately we all seem to be trending towards a conclusion here.
Discipline is an issue and parents are refusing to do it.
Offering a thought I've had for years, there should be National service like in Israel and Germany. I would be inside of this age group and would go for it.
We had something roughly equivalent. It was called a Draft. But that was a long time ago.
Now to be fair, I also tuck my kids into bed at night, we take meals together whenever possible and I tell them that I love them daily. We take family camping trips (away from ALL electronics) and we have fun. I teach them about working on vehicles, cooking and caring for themselves. I also try to be involved in their interests.
Would not have missed this experience for the world.
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:32:00 -
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OfBalance wrote:NightCrawler 85 wrote:
[quote=Random McNally]In 1988, my 15 year old younger brother was shot and killed in a stupid gun accident. Two other boys of similar age were involved and ALL of them had attended and passed gun safety training. All of them were also boy scouts and came from good homes where parenting actually did take place.
Just knowing gun safety is not enough.
Sometimes, parenting isn't enough.
The bold part is important. And don't think I'm being flippant because I have no idea what you went through. My oldest brother died in a car accident at the very same age. Sometimes parenting has noting to do with it, but those things are accidents which are not preventable. They have absolutely nothing in common with a sociopath murdering someone deliberately.
I totally agree. It was an accident. A very stupid accident but one, nonetheless.
We did not press charges. The regretful thing is that the kid who actually shot my brother will live with this for the rest of his life. His parents have since divorced. It has destroyed their family. That makes me sad.
In this case, the accident WAS preventable. There are several things that would have stopped this including locking the damn gun up (it was in the parent's dresser drawer), leaving the gun unloaded (there had been burglaries in their neighborhood and he loaded it for home defense), and continued reinforcement of the idea of gun safety. [/rant]
You are correct though, it has nothing to do with a sociopath "going off".
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